Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously - Don't Demonize McCain

Howdy gang.  I think I've found a theme here at MyDD.com.  I've tried to be a voice for civility by default (though I have a sharp tongue when stupidity abounds).  I'd like to continue in that vein.

Primary messages often morph into something else once the general election begins.  The territory a primary candidate stakes is often selected because it's the only possible approach against other Democrats.  That narrative doesn't usually survive unscathed in the general election.

One aspect of Barack Obama's message needs to prosper.  We, his supporters, need to dial it back a notch in how we speak and write about John McCain.  I do not mean we should hold our fire in criticizing the man.  I will be doing it, I can assure you.  However, for a variety of reasons I will lay out below the fold, we should moderate how we do it.

Read on...

First up, it's just the right thing to do.  If someone gives you a reason to call him or her names, feel free.  However, as Republicans go, John McCain hasn't actually been evil in any way I can recall.  My parents are loyal Democrats, but they voted for Senator McCain in the South Carolina primary in 2000.  While I heartily acknowledge that the John McCain of 2008 isn't the same man of 2000, there were reasons to respect the man.  There still are.  Forget the politics for a second.  He has done things for this country, outside of his service in the military.  He's worked with some of our best Senators to try to solve the problems we face.  I will always appreciate that, because too many in his party won't do it.

Secondly, and I think more importantly from a tactical perspective, we're trying to poach Republican votes.  We won't do that very well if we're seen as frothing at the mouth hatemongers.  I think that a McCain presidency would be about the worst thing we could possibly do to our country right now, short of an actual third term for President Bush.  John McCain is absolutely just plain wrong for us in so many ways its actually quite sad.  But that wrongness does not require demonization.  It doesn't require that we mock him for his age.  It doesn't mean we should spend much time making fun of his rich, beer-industry wife.  It just doesn't.

If we want to encourage Republican voters to put their country's future ahead of their party's future, we need to act like adults.  Rational and reasonable adults do not spend their time explaining to anyone who will listen that John McCain's gonna kill their kids by proxy.

Civility is no vice.  It is essential.  We are seen as immature, both as Obama supporters and as Democrats more generally.  I think we can make 2008 a year to remember, not because Senator Obama will have won it, but because of how we will have won this.  It's not enough that we win.  We have to set a better example of how campaigns are run.  I am positively sick of each side blasting away at the other, hoping to inflict more damage than they receive.

I was a primary supporter of Barack Obama because I believe in civility in discourse.  We can beat the Republicans on the issues.  We can beat them honorably, even if they themselves don't always behave honorably.  Our democracy, if not actually broken, damned near is broken.  We can't constructively talk about the tough issues because even an honest appraisal of them (think Social Security) is suicidal and totally toxic to re-election.

Let's be proper adults, folks.  Let's not support ads like the MoveOn ad.  John Stewart had it right.  "MoveOn.org.  Ten years of making even people who agree with you cringe."  Let's be better than we've been.  Let's not jettison Obama's message because we really want to win.  Let's use that message, that ethic, to improve our chances as well as our methods.

I don't just want to look back at 2008 as a Democratic victory.  I want to look back at an American victory, for all of us, because we proved that you can win a campaign without becoming a total bastard, beholden to Rovian filth and the politics of fear and division.



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Tips? (2.00 / 3)

For civility?  For honorable disagreements?  For being the examples that the Republicans will never be...


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 11:49:17 AM EST

I agree (none / 0)

This will be a move in the right direction.  WE have the advantage on the issues, we don't need to make him out to be a demon, because I personally don't think he is.  In fact, I actually liked the guy 8 years ago.  But he is wrong on this issues.  We can use issues, and let them use innuendo about Obama being a Muslim or him not being a citizen.  In that context, we have already won.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 11:52:06 AM EST

Re: I agree (2.00 / 1)

you have shown as little civility as the diarist. both of you need to clean your own houses before taking it upon yourselves to lecture anyone else.


by zerosumgame on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:23:28 PM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

Pardon me?  I show a sharp tongue with those who have earned it.  My first impulse is always to be civil.  Some levels of stupidity or rage do not merit it, however.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:25:07 PM EST
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Re: I agree (none / 0)

You do realize that there is lot of stupidity among republicans, right? A sharp tongue won't help convert many mccain supporters though.


by devil on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:44:44 PM EST
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No need - McCain will demonize himself (none / 0)

and the GOP will implode.

Just stay on message, realizing that, no matter how hard one tries, one-third will neither be receptive nor convinced.  Let them go.


by dcrolg on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 11:53:24 AM EST

Re: No need - McCain will demonize himself (none / 0)

So you agree that we don't need to actively make the man into something he isn't?  I gather that you do agree, I think.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 11:58:11 AM EST
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yes, I agree (none / 0)

not sure we need to be proactive about it though - if we sit back and watch the thing unfold, McCain will shoot himself in the foot enough.


by dcrolg on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 08:58:25 PM EST
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This is more important than ever (none / 0)

in a year where we have Barr as a potential spoiler for the GOP.  I'm sure some right-leaning independents will cross over to Obama, and a tiny number of actual Republicans, but I think those numbers will be relatively insignificant.  However, Barr holds the real conservative mantle this race, and a huge number of Republicans are in serious nose-holding territory with McCain.  For these, Obama is a tall order, but they need little provocation to jump to a possibly more appealing candidate in Barr.  McCain will dig his own hole tacking to the center on the environment, immigration, etc. and if we can hold our tongues and not provide these swing republicans reason to vote against the left, we may well have a Nader of our own this year.  

That said, this applies mostly in real life encounters, as the only republicans who interact with the liberal netroots are GOP trolls.  And good luck being taken seriously at a site like RedState.

Good diary, btw.


by semiquaver on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:08:41 PM EST

Re: Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously - Don't D (none / 0)

I don't necessarily agree with what you are saying here. This campaign is about a lot more than the issues. It has been about character and judgment from the beginning. You can't talk about only the issues if the other side is trying to make it about character. In that case, you have to deal with those issues. For another thing, Obama himself has made it about judgement, not only about issues.

We've seen what the GOP and their attack ad groups are going to be saying. They are going to harp on Wright, Rezko, flag pins, religion, the pledge, etc... They can't afford to let this campaign be about the issues.

While we talk about the Iraq war they will be talking about Michelle O. and trying to paint her as an angry black radical. While we are talking about health care, they will be circulating rumors and lies. This will continue throughout the campaign.

I too once had some admiration for John McCain. But, that was for the McCain of 8 years ago. The man running for President today is not the same man. We are aware of that because we are politically engaged. The general public doesn't know that, yet. It is up to us to educate them.

That means going after McCain on his embrace of the right and many neo-con agendas. It means pointing out how McCain is anything but a maverick when it comes to his votes in the Senate. It means exposing the myth of the 'Straight-talk express'. Yes, it also means bringing up the Keating Five affair and McCain's part in that.

Many people think that McCain's a pretty good guy and surely won't be that bad for the country. They are wavering between voting for the new guy who will bring change and the war hero who seems to be a pretty safe bet. Those are the people that we need to reach. The hard-core right will hold their noses and vote for McCain. The left will mostly vote for Obama. The people in the middle who are independents are the ones who will swing the election. Those are the people that need to realize that McCain is not a safe choice.


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:15:53 PM EST

Re: Let's Take Obama's (2.00 / 1)

We can make it plain that he's not a safe choice without resorting to demonizing him.  That's all I'm saying.  We can make it a point to say that he's actually done some good things, but his actual plan for this country is something we simply can not afford.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:19:25 PM EST
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Re: Let's Take Obama's (2.00 / 1)

Pointing out his flaws is not the same as demonizing him. Showing that he is not a straight-talker can be done without getting nasty. We can show his character flaws without resorting to harping on his marriage record or drawing attention to Cindy M.'s transgressions. Harsh criticism isn't demonization.  We can tear him down while at the same time making the point that his ideas for the future are bad for the country.

Let me ask a question. Do you think pointing out how he has abandon many of his principles in order to gain the presidency is demonizing? Do you think showing the his hypocrisy when it comes to talking about responsible government while he has people like Charlie Black advising him is demonization? Do you think pointing out his absurd flip-flop on the Bush tax cuts is demonization? Do you think pouncing on his verbal gaffes and apparent confusion about things like Sunni-Shia is demonization? Where do you draw the line?


"The true measure of a man is how he treats someone who can do him absolutely no good." Samuel Johnson
by MS01 Indie on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:30:08 PM EST
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Re: Let's Take Obama's (2.00 / 1)

Each of the things you mentioned is fine with me.  It's more a question of how we present these things.  I'll put it another way.

A lot of the guys and gals at RedState post hyperventilating and frankly hilarious blogs about how Senator Obama is some kind of uberleftist Marxist who hates religion.  That's demonization, and idiotic to boot.  If they were discussing their perception that his political philosophy is more liberal and class-based than they're comfortable with (citing specific examples), along with what they perceive as his heterodoxy in regards to his faith, that would not be demonization.

It's a question of tone, if nothing else.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:33:00 PM EST
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Re: Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously - Don't D (none / 0)

While we talk about the Iraq war they will be talking about Michelle O. and trying to paint her as an angry black radical. While we are talking about health care, they will be circulating rumors and lies. This will continue throughout the campaign.
Of course they will.  But it takes two to do the swiftboat tango.  By giving more than a cursory response, we have allowed them to hijack the debate on their terms.


by semiquaver on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:32:42 PM EST
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Re: Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously (2.00 / 2)

Obama ran a character campaign in the primary, and all signs suggest he will run a character campaign in the general. Character campaigns are inherently divisive. Both Obama and McCain are engaging in the typical Republican tactic of tearing down the other's character, so I hold little hope for less demonizing.

It will be difficult for Obama to demonize McCain on race, McCain has an adopted Bangladeshi daughter and the general electorate is not as sensitive to racism as the Democratic electorate. The Republicans, however, will use race as a divisive issue.


by souvarine on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:17:10 PM EST

Re: Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously (none / 0)

wow, not even subtle.  The primary is over.


"Is there no keeping with class in whom we mingle with anymore?"
by Brandon on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:25:35 PM EST
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Re: Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously (none / 0)

I was fighting against those ideas when you were practising law and representing your contributor, Rezko, in his slum landlord business in inner city Chicago

Yeah, that's not a character attack. Obama Rules.


by Neef on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:19:53 PM EST
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Ageism (2.00 / 2)

I'm agreeing with the diarist 100% and think the place to start is with ageist remarks, especially as these fires were so stoked in the primary battle.  It's totally within reason and civil to mention the man's age as he is getting too old to serve well, but there's no future in the smart ass sgeist cracks.

Not everyone over 60 is doddering or out-of-touch; they all aren't "get of my lawn" angry old farts either.  The last thing we want is some generational warfare in November.  

The biggest hole in McCain's boat is his new-found alliance with all things GWB.  He can't find his base and appeal to the majority without shooting himself in the foot.  The path to victory is relatively smooth if the message stays coherent and clear -- we can't survive another four years of Bush policies.  


Sexism is real.
by grassrootsorganizer on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:18:11 PM EST

Re: Don't Demonize McCain (none / 0)

There is no reason to demonize McCain. All we have to do is to just point people to McCain's policy positions.


by devil on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 12:48:47 PM EST

Re: Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously - Don't D (none / 0)

Where was this message when it was Hillary and Bill being demonized?

Why do you want to protect McCain's reputation more than the Clintons?

Team Obama is ALL about demonizing others.  Thats what they do.  Thats hope to them.


by dtaylor2 on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:14:20 PM EST

Re: Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously - Don't D (none / 0)

I was wondering when you'd turn up.

Where was my message of civility?  It was all that kept me from going fucking batshit at some of the things both camps said.

Now, kindly go crawl back under your rock.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:17:10 PM EST
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Re: Let's Take Obama's Message Seriously - Don't D (none / 0)

Today, the presidency -- tomorrow, the "H" section of the Dictionary -- the day after that, the World!


by semiquaver on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 01:41:29 PM EST
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I'm not sure what this means. (none / 0)

I've never understood exactly why people continue to call for the need for civility towards John McCain. He has been receiving SUCH good treatment and with minor exceptions, NONE of the kind of character assassination that would qualify as unfair treatment. We are not Karl Rove. We are not Mark Penn. For that matter, neither is McCain, but his people are and would do it behind his back in a heartbeat.

As for ageism, I've said it before and I'll say it again, it is a valid question, because it is a very simple matter of biology. Will John McCain start wearing an adult diaper? Probably not. Might he start forgetting things like Reagan did? Very, very likely. This is not a time at which we can say that that is an acceptable risk. McCain is an older gentleman whose father died when he was younger than he is right now. If he decides to make Bobby Jindal his VP, this becomes a genuine concern.


If you're being chased by an angry bull and then you notice you're also being chased by a swarm of bees, it doesn't really change things. Just keep on running.
by vcalzone on Sun Jun 29, 2008 at 03:07:00 PM EST


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